Woo! I love the show, keep it up :)

Jason Fried has said that 37 signals don't have designers with an education or a background in design. He feels that it is better to have designers that don't have structure in their design. Being a self-taught web designer with a degree in finance, he feels that designers don't need a degree to be a web designer. He feels that there should be more web designers out there without a design background because websites wouldn't be as "structured". I agree in that it's true that there are people with a talent in design that did not go through a program in design, but to imply that educated designers are holding back visual creativity on the internet is very hypocritical considering the way 37signals.com looks right now. I'm not saying anything bad about 37signal's products. I think they have great products, and to be so popular among the design community as a b-to-b business, they must be doing something right. I think Mr. Fried is confusing the designers from a decade ago that he was around with today's designers. Many times, designers are limited by their superiors especially in commercial applications.

I didn't mean to sound like I'm taking shots at Jason Fried. He said a lot of interesting things and I agree with a lot of what he had to say. I just felt he was discrediting designers with a degree in design because I personally know a lot of them. BTW, love the podcast.

Great interview. I just saw the write up too...that's pretty sweet for someone who does not have 45 minutes to listen - nice touch. You don't get the flvour of Jason's conviction by reading tough - and you've got to hear that. Again, nice job.

Hey Guys, I love your show but for whatever reason this episode wont download in itunes. It says that it is an invalid format or something. Anyone out there have any suggestions?

My wife was having the same problem, but I was able to download it in iTunes. She is on a Mac and I'm on Windows. What are you guys using?

Guys, I think we have fixed this issue. I think it had something to do with the coralized link being listed first, we have switched it and updated the feed, hopefully iTunes will pick that up.

Jason and his team's background would never ever get any chance in corporate or enterprise America, nor with any VCs, because they dont have the experience nor the skill set to pull off what they did. The irony is, they will not hire people that are like them when they started.